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Further correspondence with Mr. Crawford-Browne - November 18 and 20, 2011

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Unfortunately none of the subject matter was addressed in

this response by Terry Crawford-Browne

to the letter in the right hand column below

 

From: "Terry Crawford-Browne"

To: "'Maurice Ostroff'"

Subject: FW: Follow-up  to our correspondence of November 18

Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:08:59 +0200

 

Mr Ostroff

 

Goebels would be proud to have had you as his student...

 

This correspondence is now closed.

 

Terry Crawford-Browne

 

 

 Correspondence pursuant to Maurice Ostroff' letter to Mr. Crawford-Browne of November 12, 2011 

 

1. To: Terry Crawford-Browne
Subject: Open letter to the chairman of the Russell Tribunal

November  18, 2011

Dear Mr. Crawford-Browne

May I look forward to a considered response to my email of November 12?,

As I have received neither an acknowledgment nor a response from the chairman nor any member of the jury to whom I addressed my original letter of November 3, I ask whether I should treat your letter of November 10, as reflecting the collective response..

Have a good weekend

Regards

Maurice Ostroff

 

 

2. From: "Terry Crawford-Browne"

To: "'Maurice Ostroff'" References:
Subject: RE: Open letter to the chairman of the Russell Tribunal
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:26:44 +0200

Dear Mr Ostroff
 
I refer to your message today asking for a reply to your letter of November 12.  I have not received any letter from you on the 12th, but here again is my letter of November 10.  Meanwhile, the full findings of the Cape Town session of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine are now available, which I attach, and which you can consider to be the considered and collective response of the chairman and jurists.
 
Yours sincerely 
Terry Crawford-Browne, Secretary
SA Organising Committee for the Russell Tribunal on Palestine
   
 RToP Cape Town full findings.pdf

 

3.To: "Terry Crawford-Browne"

Subject: RE: Open letter to the chairman of the Russell Tribuna

November 18, 2011
Dear Mr. Crawford-Browne,

Thank you for your prompt response. I'm surprised you did not receive my email of November 12, which I now copy below

Thanks too for the full findings of the Cape Town session. It is an interesting document but unfortunately it does not address the gist of my letter of November 3.

Sincerely

Maurice Ostroff

 

4 At 11/18/2011,03:33 PM,Friday, you wrote:
From: "Terry Crawford-Browne"
To: "'Maurice Ostroff'" 
Subject:  Archbishop Tutu's remarks at RTOP
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:33:39 +0200

Dear Mr Ostroff
 
Herewith Archbishop Desmond Tutus opening remarks to the Russell Tribunal.  I hope that you will ponder the implications...and desist from the distasteful vehemence of the Israeli hasbara campaign.  That it is now backfiring as evident from the remarks of German Chancellor Angela Morkel that every word that comes out of Netanyahus mouth is a lie.
 
Yours sincerely
  
Terry Crawford-Browne
 

5.From: Maurice Ostroff

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:25 PM
To: Terry Crawford-Browne
Subject: Re: Archbishop Tutu's remarks at RTOP

I will ponder Archbishop Tutu's remarks as well as your quote of
Angel Merkel's "that every word that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth
is a lie" if you will kindly let me know the source of that
information and the context of her remarks
Sincerely
Maurice Ostroff


 

6. From: "Terry Crawford-Browne"

To: "'Maurice Ostroff'"

Subject: RE: Archbishop Tutu's remarks at RTOP
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:57:30 +0200

Haaretz

Terry Crawford-Browne

 

 

7. To: "Terry Crawford-Browne"

Subject: RE: Archbishop Tutu's remarks at RTOP

What date?
A link would be helpful
Maurice Ostroff

 

No response

 

November 20, 2011

 

Dear Mr. Crawford-Browne,

 

I am disappointed that instead of addressing the legitimate concerns that I raised in my letter of November 12, you resorted to insultingly express the hope that I will “desist from the distasteful vehemence of the Israeli hasbara campaign”. Name calling, especially unjustified name-calling, is hardly a satisfactory substitute for serious dialogue. As you know, this correspondence is being publicized and I leave it to readers to evaluate whether or not my letter of November 12 contained anything resembling “distasteful vehement hasbara” and whether it deserved a considered reply to the issues I had raised.

 

By the way hasbarah means clarification or explanation. It does not mean propaganda in the negative sense as is common in Palestinian areas, examples of which may be seen on the web site http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=567. Perhaps you will agree that this type of inciteful propaganda is the main obstacle to a peaceful solution. On the other hand, I would expect any open minded person to welcome credible clarifications, rather than obstinately closing their eyes to any inconvenient information that may not coincide with preconceived ideas.

 

According to IOL News of September 16, you justifiably insisted that the arms deal enquiry commission in South Africahas got to have reliable and credible people..” http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/crawford-browne-wants-credible-probe-1.1138885

 

I therefore ask in all sincerity why this principle was not applied to the Russell Tribunal whose jury and witnesses comprised only persons who lacked credibility because of their widely-known anti-Israel views. The term “jury” was particularly inappropriate as the members certainly would not have passed a real jury selection process. Had they been credible, the Tribunal would have avoided the “kangaroo court” description that has been widely applied to it.  

 

There is one aspect of my letter in particular to which I urge you to respond, namely my request that you either either substantiate or withdraw your allegations that my letter to President Zuma was deceitful and that I repeatedly smear Mr Hessel and Archbishop Tutu as being anti-Semitic. You will recall that I challenged you to produce one shred of evidence that I have ever referred to either of these persons as anti-Semitic. In fact I consistently avoid ad hominem attacks and prefer to address the issues.

 

As recommended by you, I read with great interest Archbishop Tutu’s address to the Tribunal and I must express disappointment in the Tribunal’s utter failure to heed his excellent advice. Contrary to his exhortation that “Forgiveness is much more than attributing blame or winning arguments”, the entire session was occupied in attributing blame to one side only, without the slightest attempt to understand the context and without the slightest trace of forgiveness.

 

The Tribunal also completely ignored the archbishop’s main message “My charge to the Russell Tribunal is thus:  Please ensure that your deliberations contribute to peace and reconciliation in Israel and Palestine.  Please be careful to leave the door open for forgiveness, for a better future for Israelis and Palestinians.  Please remember you are dealing with your brothers and sisters here

 

I have not been able to locate in Haaretz the quote by Angela Merkel to which you refer "that every word that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth is a lie", but I agree that if in fact she did make this statement, it is very unpleasant and damaging. But I ask in what way you consider it relevant to our discussion about allegations of Israel as an apartheid state.  It is as irrelevant as referring to the statement published by the SABC that “Judge Andre le Grange has found that Crawford-Browne has persistently made defamatory and false allegations about Manuel”. Both statements are red herrings, neither of which contributes anything to understanding the discussion about the Rusell Tribunal.

http://196.35.74.234/politics/government/0,2172,165408,00.html

 

 

Sincerely

Maurice Ostroff

 

 

 

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